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Originally Posted by BigCat
law school 101. number 1 specifically says the following are "fouls." POE 2 say the following are "illegal activity." i agree a -d are fouls. e, contact between players in a lane space before free thrower releases ball --can be violation or foul.
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Which you must have failed because you just made a circular argument. I asked for someone to show me a RULE making the action in 2e illegal (in the context of fouls). You cited a rule for violations, 8-4g, which doesn't involve contact. I respond that according to the text of 2e we are discussing a contact situation and challenged you to cite a single instance in which contact between players is a violation. YOU NOW RESPOND WITH POE 2e! Right back where you started.
So allow me to be clear. Please post anything from the NFHS Rules Book that involves contact between two players which you believe to be a violation OTHER THAN THIS POE.
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Originally Posted by BigCat
consider that in the context of what we see happening in high school now---second lane spot may move in early and shove first under. first may hit second early to keep him from pushing him under.
the poe is telling you to watch for "illegal activity" in that situation. doesnt mean you have to call a foul. get the person who goes in early.
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Entering the lane early is a violation.
Illegally contacting an opponent would be a foul.
Contacting an opponent in a legal manner is nothing.
Keep it simple.
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Originally Posted by OKREF
It says properly enforced and penalized. Which means the enforcement could be a violation or a foul, whichever one applies to the situation. The way I see 2E, is that in those times that a player reaches across the vertical edge of his lane boundary into the opponents lane spot and makes contact, it should be a violation. By getting this when it happens, it will stop any further activity once the shot goes up.
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Almost. I agree that we should properly penalize any illegal action with a violation or foul as appropriate.
The problem with your post is that "reach[ing] across the vertical edge of [a] lane boundary into the opponent's lane spot" is NOT illegal according to any NFHS rule. Only breaking such a boundary with a foot is a violation.
Additionally, if contact is made, there is no NFHS rule extant permitting a violation to be called. It is just a judgment call by the official as to whether or not to whistle a foul.