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I think the key part of the enforcement here is that the runners are returned to their bases in 8-2-d and 8-7-u. That is not a part of the penalty in the live-ball out examples. It's probably best to kill the play if the runners are to be returned to their bases, since no legal advancement would be possible under the rule, and they would only be at jeopardy of being put out if the ball was live and they did advance (almost like a reversal of obstruction).
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