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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
...Peter's article is the first where someone "important" agrees with me -- the plate umpire DOES NOT HAVE the best view of a checked swing. The PU is too close and most of the times I'm overruled it's when I'm tracking a pitch and the batter checks. I can see one or the other, not both -- I'm too close to see, for example, and outside corner curve ball and a batter checking his swing. If the pitch is a BALL, I will probably HAVE to check.
The plate umpire does not EVER, EVER, EVER have a better look at the checked swing. Disagree, fine. But we will have to A2D, then because I will never be convinced otherwise.
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Okay, A2D. All I'm saying is if the PU definitely HAS seen the check swing AND calls "
Ball; no he didn't go", that is not the same as your umpire not seeing the check and simply calling "
Ball" only. If you don't EVER make the "
Ball; no he didn't go" call then you can expect to get asked EVERY TIME there is a half swing, frivilous or not, and you can also expect your BU partner to overrule ANY TIME he feels the urge.
OTOH, those of us who CAN easily see a successful check, AND are still willing to call it as a decision reserved solely to the plate umpire (call and count balls and strikes - OBR 9.04a.2), will continue to use the UDP approved professional mechanic and expect our partners to honor our judgement call.
Now you say the PU "
...does not EVER, EVER, EVER have a better look at the checked swing." Do you mean even with BU in A and a lefty at bat? And if you concede that single occasion, then why not otherwise when the PU has already deliberately made a decision? I don't know any PU's who would call "
Ball; no he didn't go" unless they were
absolutely certain they saw the check! Overruling a partner in that case is tantamount to calling him a LIAR, wouldn't you say?
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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser And I will NEVER be convinced that an umpire can refuse a request for a checked swing in OBR. It's in black-and-white. And it is poor game management for most umpires to refuse this request, even where it is allowed by rule.
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You are aware there is no rule-based TIME LIMIT on check swing appeals, aren't you? So are you saying that you would NEVER refuse a request even after 2 or 3 innings had passed? Sure that's a ludicrous example, but it begs the question "Where are your limits, and would you refuse an appeal once those limits are exceeded?"
Cheers
[Edited by Warren Willson on Jul 17th, 2003 at 03:06 AM]