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Originally posted by Dakota
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Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
BOO is the proper call. ... Which way an umpire approaches the ruling is somewhat irrelevant as the penalty to the offensive team is the same for BOO and Illegal Batter with the exception that the latter also requires the disqualification of the individual player.
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Mike,
How can 7-2 apply when this situation is specifically addressed, complete with penalties, in Rule 4-7B?
The DEFO coming to bat for any player other than the DP (or coming to bat for the DP without reporting) is an illegal batter, not BOO. I would have thought - here I go again  - if BOO was to also apply, that it would have been mentioned in the effect section for 4-7B, or at least in the case book. The case book conveniently only has situations where the DEFO is discovered while still at bat.
It is a bit moot in the first situation, since the DEFO is still at bat when discovered, but suppose the DEFO had completed her turn at bat and a pitch to the next batter had not been thrown? In that case, the penalty WOULD be different.
Suppose DEFO gets a base hit and is on 1st. Defense appeals before the next pitch.
With BOO, DEFO is removed from the base, runners return, B1 is declared out, and B2 comes to bat. If you also apply the ILLEGAL BATTER rule, then DEFO is also OUT and DQed. Two outs and B2 comes to bat.
If only the ILLEGAL BATTER rule applies, then DEFO is out and DQed and B1 comes to bat.
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Tom,
I only dealt with the situation offered. I only suggested that it was conceivable the DEFO could bat for the DP and mistakenly batted where her name appeared instead of the slot filled by the DP.
Not saying that was the cause, but just a possibility. And, yes, I would probably force the offensive coach to tell me exactly what was happening to make sure there were no misconceptions on the umpire's part only to hear about it after making a ruling.
Now, if you want to change the scenario, an umpire can have a lot of fun and still get the outs
