ok "DDN" i will chk out this site, and refer other companion refs to it; we all struggle with looking tidy in our pants. I've seen some guys wear the elastic bands to keep shir tail tucked in--heck I know of a few guys who tell me that their shirts are also altered to fit "slimmer/tighter". I'm frequently adjusting my re-tucking my shirt tail in and pulling the cuffs off up on my shoes--heheh. I shall chk that web for info...