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Old Thu Jul 03, 2003, 11:56am
JRutledge JRutledge is offline
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Wink I am not going to change my mind Z, I do not see this the same way you do.

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Originally posted by zebraman


Certainly I can. It's called common sense, officiating experience and adjusting to the game. Like I said, I am able to differentiate and reason. Some can, some can't.
So much common sense, you take special issue with something you are not keeping track of like a Football Official or Baseball Umpire do.

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Originally posted by zebraman
Even if there was no rule requiring me to inform a team when they used their final time-out, I still would do it.
Which is the essence of your belief system. You would do it no matter what, do not say the rules are that reason. But you are grown, you can say whatever you like.

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Originally posted by zebraman

Not only as a courtesy (remember, as officials we're serving the players and coaches) but also because it's good preventative officiating. It just seems to make good common sense to do everything I can to avoid an ugly ending to a game when an excess T is called.
It is preventive officiating to not get involved in something I have nothing to do with. And better yet, what if that coach has been a a$$ the entire game, I do not want to have to T a coach for something at the end of the game, then put more focus on me rather than the coach. That is what happens when you stand next to their huddle or table, when you need to stay away. If a coach wants to yell across the court on you, then at least many people heard him/her say whatever they said to you. If you are standing next to them and they curse you out, chances are, it might be your word against their's. I will take my chances not being in their face.

Joe Crawford gave several Ts in a Dallas Maverick playoff game this year, not only were many of them justified, but the focus turned to Crawford instead of the coaches and players that got the Ts. And when an official gives a T at the end of the game, which might decide the game, you better have a good reason. Telling them about their timeout situation, for me and many other officials is not one of them. Sorry Z, get out of your area and out of your confront zone, you will find people do not always agree with you on this and many other things. Same goes for me.

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Originally posted by zebraman

I've seen it happen and it ain't pretty. Who doesn't remember Chris Webber for calling a T or not. I don't know if the officals notified the coaches or not (I bet they did or Michigan would have blamed them for it), but how could you not want to do everthing possible to avoid that ugly ending? It's similar to counting the players after a time-out to make sure there aren't 6 on the floor. It's the coaches responsibility too, but we also do our part right?

I am a huge Michigan fan, Chris Webber called the timeout because his bench and coaches were signaling to him to do so. There was a (it was in SI I believe) picture of the entire bench telling him to call timeout. He did, the officials telling the coaches or not was not ever an issue. As a matter of fact, Billy Packard and Jim Nance (I think he was with him) made a point of this was a coaching issue. Never once did they say it was an official's responsiblity. You might say to yourself these guys have no clue, but this is what the public believes and thinks of this situation. So even if the officials told them or not, the public and the uneducated fan cannot understand why a coach would not be able to know when his team calls a timeout.

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Originally posted by zebraman

It's similar to counting the players after a time-out to make sure there aren't 6 on the floor. It's the coaches responsibility too, but we also do our part right?

You are so right, it is similar. But when there are 6 on the court or if that 6th player just comes onto the court, we still give a T, and the coach is the one that gets the blame. Of course we might take a minute to count, but I have had that 6th player just run onto the court because they thought they were playing. There is only so much we can do. Are we suppose to hold their hands and tell them how to shoot and dribble as well?

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