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Originally posted by Warren Willson
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Originally posted by thumpferee
I have read rule 5.08. NOT Quoting. It states if a thrown ball hits a base coach, ball is alive. If the coach hits the ball, the ball is dead and runner is out.
In this situation I don't see the coach interfering with the throw, the throw was wild as stated and hit the coach, not the coach hitting the ball.
Because the ball went out of play, it should have been called dead, and runner at first is safe and remains at first. Other runners stay at base occupied at the time the ball went into dead ball territory.
I also don't think the coach being in or out of the coach's box has any bearing on the play. The coach is required to vacate the box to avoid interfering with a fielder trying to make a play.
Looking forward to replies!
[Edited by thumpferee on Jul 2nd, 2003 at 05:36 AM]
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No offense but OBR 5.08 does NOT state that the ball is DEAD. It simply says that the runner is OUT if the coach intentionally interferes with the thrown ball. Notice it says interferes with the "thrown ball" and not with "the throw". There is a very clear and important distinction.
You need to re-examine the original post. In the case in point the coach actually KICKED the thrown ball out of play while it was rolling around on the ground before the fielder could recover from knocking it down. The scenario states that the ball would NOT have rolled out of play absent the coach's contacting the ball (not the ball contacting the coach). That certainly fits the definition of intentional interference, regardless of what the coach was thinking at the time - see OBR 3.15 Comment and Play for a comparative analysis and understanding of the concept of intentional interference by persons entitled to be on the playing field.
OTOH you are correct that the coach's position relative to the coach's box at the time is irrelevant.
Cheers
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No where did I see in the original post that the kick by the coach was INTENTIONAL. It says, was kicked.
I took it as though the throw was wild, B1 safe at first on the bad throw, coach trying to avoid and kicks the ball UNINTENTIONALLY out of play as it is rolling away from F3.
How can the perception that the coach interfered with the "thrown ball" while standing in foul territory(assuming that's where he was) on a throw by F6 to F3?
Example: R1 on 1st and F1 attempts to pick off R1. Ball gets by F3, R1 takes a couple steps toward second then starts back to 1st. The throw by F3 to F1 at 1st hits the base coach. INTERFERENCE. RUNNER OUT.
That's an example of a base coach interfering with a "thrown ball". In the case provided, I saw it as though the "thrown ball" hit the coach. Intentionally kicking the ball is another story. In that case I would agree with you.
You are correct, that rule says the runner is out, Not a dead ball as I stated. BUT, I did say NOT QUOTING. When I said the ball is Dead, I was refering to the situation that interference was the call and by rule 2.0 (d)(e) On any interference the ball is dead.
I have also checked your reference to 3.15. Again, Intentional comes into play. Where does it say the kick was INTENTIONAL in the original post.
Maybe a better explaination of the play would help.