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Old Tue Dec 19, 2000, 10:38pm
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Originally posted by Indy_Ref
I either put too much thought into my posts...or not enough. No one seems to "get" what I'm saying. I think I'll just stick to replying to old topics rather than trying to start new ones! No, no... keep posting; new thoughts are necessary for everyone's growth!

Maybe a better explanation would be that even though the R AND the U('s) are ONE team, they comprise EQUAL responsibilities but philosophically different roles. No, no one is better than the other...and YES, they both will make decisions equally. We all pretty much agree.

I'll leave with an example: One game last season, I had one of those big ego guys that are sometimes discussed on here...and he was a young guy! During our pre-game, he said that he wasn't going to take any sh#$ tonight and that he didn't want me to take any either. Well, in the 3rd quarter, he ended up QUICKLY tossing the visiting coach. I was getting ready to administer the FT's when I still noticed the coach standing on the sideline. I motioned to my partner, who was the R, to conference with me. I told him that if he tossed the coach, he needed to tell him to leave the confines of the floor. He asked me to do it. I said NO, because #1, you tossed him, and #2, your the R. That being said, if I tossed him as the U, I would have had no problem telling him to leave. And, there is NO rule saying that the R has to either. But, if I were the R that night, I may have taken control of the shaky situation, hustled over to the coach and told him he had to leave. If the coach would have copped an attitude and questioned why my partner hadn't asked him to leave, I would have said that I was the R and that I just wanted to keep the game moving by being the one to ask him to leave. That night as U, I felt like my partner should have asked the coach to leave (maybe I just wanted to return the favor for his pre-game attitude...but it was a JV game and he needed to learn). I think you handled that just wonderfully. If he made the bed, he can sleep in it. Good Job! But, it seems you were the more level headed and on task official. You probably would have handled that ejection better than your partner with the attitude because "not taking any" stuff was not your primary goal for the game.




Mick? "There is much more to do, in most games as the umpire." What does that mean? The referee is the only one with real pregame duties.

We must do it differently here in Indiana.

[Edited by Indy_Ref on Dec 19th, 2000 at 04:00 PM]


Indy_Ref,
Naw, we probably do things the same way.
R - checks the book ; U - counts players for him and tells R how many players, and how many cheerleaders, and watches the teams warm up while R is at the table, still looking at the book.
R - says hello to coaches and asks if players are properly equipped ; U - looks for actual improper equipment and illegal logos on wristbands and headbands and makes the players turn 'em around or take 'em off.
R - turns and goes to center circle; U - gets captains and takes them to center, while making them relax and have a good thought in their minds for the game and places them on either side of R, while U has to walk to the far side of the circle.
R - gives his little speech and asks if U has anything to add; U - bites his tongue because the speech lasted way to long anyway, but still has to ask for the speaking captains, while maintaining a professional posture yet trying not to overshadow the R.
R - goes opposite; U - has to follow, from the far side of the circle, while going over the thoughts that occured to him (while R was looking at the book) and then U has to recite those thoughts to R.
R - goes to table and gets the ball which U has already procured and made sure that the bounce is right and that the ball is the correct diameter.
R - goes to center for toss; U jogs to position, checks number of players, checks the timer is ready, checks the scorer is ready
R - points at U; U - nods that everything is fine and that everyone is ready and gets ready to chop the clock to initiate the clock.
R - tosses the ball with no whistle in his mouth; U - judges whether the toss was acceptable, or not, chops the clock, determines which way to run and has the only functional whistle in the gym.
R - looks at U and runs the other way; U - has total control of the game and holds on tight until R finally gets into position.

During the game R and U share responsibilities.

Between Quarters:
R - takes the ball to half-court and puts it on his hip; U - must decide to which free throw line, or block, to jog and observe the benches and table for activity or questions.
R - points direction after horn; U - jogs over to each bench to tell them whose ball.. where, glances at the table to see that everything is fine while jogging to position at an endline, getting into position so he can count the players and be ready to approve a "Go" when R points at him.

So, it is very clear to me that there is more stuff to do if you're the Umpire. Besides, if the R job was so tough, there would be two R's in a 3-man game, but No! They add another umpire.
mick

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