[Rich Ives]

MD said: "If you have a batter clearly taking, don't pick this nit."

RPatrino said: "I would not call this unless the batter made some attempt to swing."

So somewhere there's a demarcation point?

So what it boils down to is that I Just want people to think about how far into the strike zone or beyond the catcher has to move before you'll call it CI/CO.