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Originally Posted by OKREF
If I chin and pivot without moving faster then the torso, it is not excessive.
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Agreed. Everybody understands that definition of "excessive swinging".
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It may be a player control.
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Disagreed. The POE states that if the elbow is moving, but not excessively, it should be an intentional foul.
So here's exactly what you're telling me:
1) The POE explicitly states that an elbow that is moving, but not excessively, and makes contact with an opponent above the shoulders should be an intentional foul.
2) If I chin and pivot without moving faster than the torso, it's not excessive.
3) The elbow is moving, but not excessively, but should NOT be an intentional foul.
These three things can't go together.