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Originally posted by jentzd
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Well, like I said before, I really want to avoid using 'ground rules' or 'house rules' and practice the right way.
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Well, let me say that most people, probably 99%, do not play by NBA rules when they play pick up games. normally, HS or college rules are the norm. That's also why you're not getting many responses to your questions.
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This is true. For example, I've come to find out that 3 seconds in the key is pretty much completely meaningless in a 1on1 game. I guess avoiding 'house rules' completly is not possible.
But I do beleive there is some type of consensus on how post play works. Thats what I am trying to get at. I am trying to get into extremely specific details on how post play works; what is legal, and what is not.
I was trained as a center through high school ball, trained that post play is very physical. I was taught that if you are defending the post and someone uses your body to try and push through you -simply that you dont have to let them. I am willing to admit that my training may be wrong if it is specifically clear how.
I am playing someone who played small forward, not necesserily trained the same way as me. This is why we need a precise rules clarification (which doesnt seem to be found in ANY rulebook...NBA or NCAA or High School, at least that i can find - which is why i am on this forum in the first place). Perhaps the true irony is this small forward is now much bigger than me.
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All the defender has to is hold his position. If you back in and displace him, you've fouled.
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Again, I am trying to determine is specific detail exactly what is legal. What exactly does holding ones' position mean? The literal wording is vague...and in terms of displacing the defender? Displacing his arm? His foot? A single hair on his head? What is what? [/B]
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These are very good questions and go mostly unanswered in the rule books & case books for college & HS, except for ncaa womens and they do attempt to define what is & isn't allowed in the low post (I'm not a womans official, maybe someone can fill in the details). Now, what I look for in the low post is pretty much what you've described: if the players are evenly matched I'll let them bang bodies within reason. What I look for with respect to displacement is one player throwing another off balance by pushing or holding such that the offender gains an advantage on either going to the basket, receiving a pass or getting to an open spot to receive a pass. On the rebound I'll look for a push that displaces another player and puts the pushing player in an open position to get the rebound (this is a no brainer), or I'll whislte a habitual rebound pusher. Offensive "hooking" of a defender when spinning & going to the basket will draw a whistle. Pushing a defender and stepping back to recieve a pass gets a whistle. A defender that keeps 2 hands or an elbow on the post player with the ball will draw a whistle, but I'll try & talk them out of this first. If the post is off ball I'll tend to warn players out of a foul, usually the more experienced guys will hear me & adjust. Any contact that seems unreasonable to me (obvious hold, push, elbow) gets an immediate whistle, if only to keep the game in control.
This is roughly what I'm thinking about, your mileage may vary, others might add more comments.