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Old Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:50pm
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Originally Posted by Adam View Post
It seems to me the confusion lies with where to draw the line on ignoring dead ball contact.

Examples (for my own clarification as a rookie FB official):
1. The ball is snapped, but the HL has an encroachment foul on the defense. The whistle is late, and immediately after the whistle, A67 holds B99. Ignore the DB contact?

I think so.

2. The ball is snapped, but the U has a snap infraction. Immediately after the whistle, B97 grabs the facemask of an offensive lineman. Ignore the DB contact?

I doubt it.

3. The ball is snapped in a punt formation, but the LJ has a false start on the wing. Immediately after the snap and before the whistle, the B99 roughs the snapper. Ignore the DB contact?

I don't know.

In basketball, DB contact is ignored if it's not intentional or flagrant, and I think I'm trying in vain to apply that standard to football.
1. We ignore holding in general unless it occurs at the point of attack and affects the play (or becomes a PF).

2. Yep, flag that. It's a PF, and it would be a foul even if the ball were live. No excuse!

3. Probably a PF here, since again the contact would have been illegal even with a live ball. But it can't be roughing the snapper because the ball was dead (no snap = no snapper). So no auto 1st down.

I ignore some DB contact, but generally not PF's. The situation is not quite comparable to basketball, since the amount and intensity of "normal" contact is quite different.
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