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Originally Posted by JetMetFan
This, obviously, would be where we differ. I see the intial contact as simultaneous with the second contact being the elbow.
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So, you're saying the elbow was 2nd to contact. So the initial contact makes the ball dead and the elbow doesn't matter.
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan
If you have it as the defender making first contact that's cool but I don't think you ignore the elbow. It made, IMO, significant contact with the defender and put him to the floor. He probably got there a little faster because he was off balance but, again, I can't ignore the elbow flashing out to create space.
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During a dead ball (which the first contact causes), it doesn't matter unless you're going to make it intentional. And if you don't decide to call the first contact as a foul, it would really not be fair to call the 2nd contact a foul.