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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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At some point the dead ball after a goal becomes a live ball. I believe the casebook helps us determine when that happens. I don't believe it says with certainty the ball is live as B1 grabs it. Camron has already said this twice. [/B]
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Dan,the ball becomes alive as soon as it's at the disposal of the thrower-rule 4-1-2b. The ball is at the disposal of the thrower when it is available to a player after a goal-rule 4-4-7d.If the player grabs the ball,it would be ludicrous to say that it's not at that player's disposal,or available to him.All of the casebook plays that I quoted refer to situations where the ball does NOT go OOB,but is still considered to be at the throwing team's disposal-and thus is LIVE.There is no language in the book,that I know of,that will let you rule otherwise in this particular case. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, let's see. We agree that the ball becomes alive when it's at the disposal of the team throwing in. However, the 5 second count begins when the ball is at the disposal (NFHS 4.41.3 NCAA 4.64.3). As a practical matter, isn't it ludicrous to start your count as the player grabs the ball after a made FG/FT?
I'll say it again, if I'm not counting the ball is dead.