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Originally Posted by professor
Apparently many of you don't believe there is life after the 3rd out and therefore would never consider an appeal once the 3rd out is recorded.
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It would BEHOOVE you to not put words in anyone's mouth. None of us here would refuse a fourth out appeal. What seems to not be getting through is that this exception allowing the defense to get a beneficial 4th out ONLY applies to appeal plays - the wording of this rule is not even remotely vague.
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Let me change the scenario just a little. Bases loaded, 2 outs. B/R gets a hit, r3 and r2 score, r1 is thrown out advancing to 3rd for 3rd out. B/R ended up on 2nd but missed touching 1st. F3 calls for ball and appeals. Under 7.10d this appeal should be upheld thus becoming the 3rd out, superceding prior 3rd out an negating both scored runs.
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Yes, exactly ... you've just provided a perfect example of a fourth out APPEAL.
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NOW...for interpretation and application of the rule, is there a difference between a B/R running but missing 1st base and not running at all??
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Absofreakinglutely ... which is what we've been trying to explain to you. Yes - there is ABSOLUTELY a difference, and that difference is critical.
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The net result is in neither case did the B/R touch 1st. Makes a case for running and touching 1st even after 3 outs...right!!
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Wrong. All situations that end the same are not the same - net results being equivalent or similar is completely irrelevant.