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Originally posted by Carl Childress
I can't see this. Perhaps I've been away from the field too long, but the offense can NEVER gain from missing a base in this situation.
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Never say "NEVER", Carl. (grin) Life has very few absolutes.
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Originally posted by Carl Childress
The real-life possible scenarios are:
1. With the ball hit sharply but deeply anywhere, the throw will go to first.
2. With the ball hit up the middle and fielded by F6, the flip will go to second.
3. With the ball hit slowly to F6 or F4, it is likely the throw will go to second UNLESS
4. R1 was moving on the pitch, when the throw will go to first OR the fielder will simply eat the ball: infield hit.
The play in question, then, is an extremely rare event, made even rarer when we pretend the runner will miss the base.
The point: If R1 truly beats the throw to second, it doesn't matter whether he touches the base or not: R3 will have already reached the plate!
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I think cases 2, 3 and 4 will ALL go to 2nd at the upper levels, because it's the closest base, but I agree that sometimes a throw to 1st with 2 out can become almost semi-automatic. The point is that we agree on just how "rare" an event is the play in question. Mind you, I've seen R3 literally "strolling" down the line because he thought R1 would be out easily and the run wouldn't score. Very bad play, true, but it does happen.
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Originally posted by Carl Childress
I admire Warren for trying to find some saving grace in Pete's scenario, but this time, I'm afraid my friend from the Empire State has just mangled the call. Kicked the play. Screwed the pooch. Locked the barn door after....
Not to worry, Pete. It happens to us all.
My advice: Call it the way the PROs do. Come next week, we'll know what the PBUC does. That, as they, say, will be that!
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Well, Carl, I'm probably a little less rectilinear than you. (grin) I wanted to leave Tony a little something, a jot, almost but not quite a zero .... (BIG grin)
Cheers,
Warren Willson