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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Originally posted by BayStateRef
My buddy who asked me to start this thread has this reply. He sent it to me by email. What follows are his remarks, not mine.
The overall consensus that once the throw-in ends it apparently ends the rule of running the base line. What does the throw-in ending have to do with how the rule is written? It is obvious these people simply didnt read the rule.
The rule states A team retains the privilege to run the base line if the scoring team commits a violation or foul and the ensuing throw-in spot would be on the end line.
This rule is very clear. If there is a violation or foul and the next throw-in resulting from that violation or foul is still at the end line you retain the right to run it. This rule gives both time (the ensuing throw-in) and scope ( a violation or foul). It has absolutely nothing to do with the throw-in ending.
If you take the rule as it is written the following would be true: Team A scores a basket, B1 in-bounds the ball to B2 who is standing underneath Team As basket and holds the ball. A1 commits a foul on B2 or causes the ball to go out of bounds. The ensuing throw-in is on the base line and team B stills has the right to run it. That is how the rule is written.
If someone wants to take the rule out of the context of how it was written and interpret differently then this rule was very poorly written.
As we previously had discussed, causing the ball to go out of bounds is clearly a violation. In the section of definitions it defines violations as the ones listed in section 9-1 thru 9-13. 9-3 states a player should not cause the ball to go out of bounds and it then goes on to explain what the penalty is for this violation.
I find it interesting that officials as a whole have a certain degree of obstinance about them that they are certain they know the rules inside and out. Maybe that attitude is what it takes to be a good official.
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1) If your "friend" wants to discuss this, he should come here.
2) He needs to read the word "retains" and the definition of that word.
3) You can't read one sentence of 8-5-7 and decide on the rule -- he's the one taking things out of context.
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Bob,rule should be 7-5-7 instead of 8-5-7?
The simplest clarification is to go back to the 2001/2002 rulebook,which is when the rule came out. The language at the front states that this rule change "permits a team to run the end line on a throw-in when the scoring team,immediately following a made basket or DURING the ensuing throw-in,commits a violation or a foul". Note that it doesn't say AFTER the throw-in is over,it says "during"!The "Comments on Rules Revisions" at the back of this book tell you exactly the same thing.
When in doubt,always check the casebook.In this case,the play is covered well--CB7.5.7SitA,B,C,D,E&F.Your friend should have checked these cases out,Bay State, before he decided that the rule said more than it actually did.