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Originally posted by WestMichiganBlue
If both teams can legally cover the positions in the BO, then game on.
No. You called an out on Charlie when you ejected him. Three outs! Game's over! Sly's team wins.
You penalized the defensive player (Sly) by ejection; you penalized the offensive player (Charlie) by ejection - and also called an out on his team.
My point is that only four players (three runners and one batter) of the 18 required to play a game are in a position to have an out called on their team if they commit USC serious enough for ejection. Any of the other 14 players (9 defense, 5 offense) can commit an act of USC serious enough to be ejected, but they do not receive an additon penalty of an out.
Rules are supposed to balance the playing field between the offense and defense. Equal application of the ejection rule for USC will not provide an equal penalty - an offense can be penalized greater than a defense.
WMB
BTW - Mike, I am not trying to fight with you, just offering what I consider to be a rational challenge to the results of the interpretation you were given. And in getting your response I will learn more about ASA. I have been an FED (only) ump for years, but last week I sent my $30 in to join MASA. I will be attending District and then State Clinics over the next couple weeks; I am currently studying the diffs between FED and ASA rules. I have been assigned to my first JO tournament in June.
So I am coming over to your side. But only for JO and maybe a local women's FP league. I still can't face the thought of doing Ed's (Trinity) AA SP!
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Well, since this is a judgment call, I guess I can pretty much do as I please without the threat of a protest
If Charlie is the agressor, than yeah, he's done and the games over. If Sly is the instigator and I know it, by dumping Charlie and ruling an out to end the game, I would be definitely be inforcing a rule penalty which without a doubt benefits a team which violated the rule.
This is the only time that I have been privy to the "intent" of a rule by the person designated to initiate it. I don't see this as a rule an umpire keeps in his/her pocket looking to throw at the first sign of a problem. I would suggest that this ruling not be used to hook boogers.
Don't read too much into it and definitely don't use it to threaten players. You don't need exotic scenarios to get use to applying it. I believe this is something that you will know to use when you encounter the appropriate situation.