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Originally Posted by bainsey
Wrong, sir. Disrespectfully addressing, gesturing, and attempting to influence the official are against the rules. Questioning is legal, provided it's done civilly. That happens all the time.
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You need to go back and read what I asked you again. I asked specifically when bench personnel did specific things and all of them do not require "disrespect" as I pointed out in Rules 10-4-1b or e. Neither say anything about disrespect, they simply say it is illegal to attempt to influence an official (happens every game) and to give a gesture like a travel signal or putting their arms up. My point is these are clearly against the rules no matter how you judge it, but as officials do we penalize the most egregious acts and often warn before we even penalize. Even disrespect comes in many forms and I doubt you are giving a T every time someone does many number of things that others would consider disrespect either.
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Originally Posted by bainsey
We agree about this situation. Still, I'm struggling to think of an example where an actual, physical advantage is gained by flopping. Again, it's all about the unsportsmanlike act, which is what needs to be penalized.
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Very easy if you think about a situation. You have A1 going hard to the basket and B1 flops with little or no contact at all to draw a charge, while B1 is on the floor, A1 falls or trips on top of him and cannot participate in the play for the possible rebound or if the basket is made. Now not only is B1 out of the play, so is A1.
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Originally Posted by bainsey
LOL I changed nothing. The man said nothing about disrespect, only questioning. Of course, the answer is no.
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I said something about giving gestures and doing and saying things that are trying to influence an official's decisions. You know when a coach says, "Can we get a call on the other end?" Is that not trying to influence an official's decisions?" Or better yet when the coach says to you, "It is 8-1." Is that OK directly under the rules? My point is they are not, but we use other means to stop that behavior and penalize if it continues. I feel the same way about this rule we are talking here. And I doubt seriously you are giving a T for these many other things that are violations of the rules that you claim must be followed no matter what.
Peace