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Originally posted by Tim C
Patrick,
I flat don't understand your post:
1) You loathe the signal just because the batter asks for it. OK, but tradition and real umpires like to KEEP CRAP FROM HAPPENING in their games and if they can delay an infraction by such a simple move WHY NOT DO IT?
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2) Then you say if the pitcher pitches it is a balk. OK, I'm game WHY? We know there can even be do-overs but you seem to say at the start of your post that you "loathe" the batter asking but if the pitcher pitches you BALK HIM.
3) I must be misunderstanding, as it looks like you're making this a "quick return pitch" and I don't think that is what this thread is about --
4) I guess while you were away you didn't learn much more about umpiring.
BTW, for y'all -- the hand raised by the PU is all it takes for time to be out. In FED it is actually on their "signals" page. You do not have to verbally commit.
Tee
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I agree with most of what you say, Mr. Christensen.
1. If an umpire believes that this signal might prevent a bad situation, I would agree that one should use the hand signal. I would include the Balk as one of those "bad situations". I would only use the "do not pitch" signal if I think there is a significant chance that the pitcher might start a pitch. This keeps the game moving.
I've never had to call that balk yet, though I was allowing for the possibility.
2. This is a "quick return pitch", and thus a balk/illegal pitch in all codes. A "quick return pitch" is any pitch that begins before the batter is reasonably ready (OBR 8.05e). My fault for not explaining this better to the board.
3. This thread was originally about the "do not pitch" signal, which makes the ball dead. I was pointing out that the "do not pitch" signal is often unnecessary.
4. I've learned a lot, both from the internet and in real life. As always, I appreciate all your insights.
P-Sz