[JRutledge]

If that isn't taunting, I don't know what is.

If the question was asked, obviously it was not clear cut.

If you don't think is, then that's your opinion...it's just hard for me to believe that anyone wouldn't consider that unsportsmanlike.

Because when you are so self-absorbed in your own opinion, you cannot see the other side.

That could definitely lead to a fight.

Many things that we discuss here could lead to a fight. I do not see your post talking about how "it has got to be unsportsmanlike." I could see the "yelling" post as being a perfect example, but many here said that was OK.

IMHO, if we don't draw the line at that, we might as well not even have a line.

In your humble opinion. Did you forget what that means?


Implying that we can't discuss it because D-1 refs are involved is just plain dumb.

I am not saying you cannot discuss it. You can discuss anything you like. This is a free country and a free board. But for others to not take issue with your point of view is rather selfish from my point of view. The officials that were there did not do what you suggest. You have a right to see it another way, but I have the right to not agree with you.

I ref some of my NFHS games with D-1, D-2, and D-3 refs. They're just people, not gods... the only difference is that they don't mind the nomadic lifestyle during the winter as much as some of the rest of us.

There you go again, making a mountain out of a molehill. No one says anything about them being Gods. But I was not there (same attitude as I take at the HS levels) and reserve total judgement for the officials that "actually officiated the games." Can they make mistakes, they sure can, but to me this was not necessarily one of them. They made a judgement and I am sure there was a reason.

Doesn't sound like it was a "judgment call" in the sense that it "might have been a foul, might not have been a foul."

What is unsportsmanlike is no different that way is considered obscene. What is obscene to one person, is fun to another. This was totally a judgement call, if it was not then there would have been a T. They obviously passed on the act for some reason. I am sure there is debate amongs the folks that watched the game that have some direct interaction with officials.


A dunk happened and push-ups followed. I think very few people who saw that would pass on a T.

This is not about how many people agree or not disagree (at least for me it is not). I do not officiate and make calls based on a poll. I sure hope you do not either.

Maybe the assignor for that conference punishes refs who give a T, even if it's well-deserved. That would be sad.

Well I doubt that seriously. The fact of the matter is that I have never seen this and I am sure that many here have never seen this before. Which alone suggests to me that the act was totally spontaneous. If we start seeing this all over the place, then I would agree that maybe the act is to show up the opponents. But for you to suggest that there is only one way to handle this is rather ridicuolous. The officials passed and the folks here said they should have done something different. There seems to be a consensus that yelling is OK, but that is based on what we have seen in the past. If the NCAA wants to make this action unsportsmanlike, then they can put it in their tapes or discuss it in meetings. But as for what took place that night, it was not unsportsmanlike in my opinion. Doesn't mean I am right and it definitely does not mean that I am wrong either. It just means it is.

Peace