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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
I have just got home from first coaching my younger son's basketball team's practice and then going to a H.S. BSB/SOF umpires RULES/MECHANICS meeting so once again I am going to plead laziness and repost my orginal post in this thread:
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Originally posted by Sven
I'm confident we've had this discussion before, but I can't locate the thread.
Girls Middle School Game. A1 dribbling fast along sideline in backcourt. B1 establishes legal guarding position near the division line. As A1 dribbles past, there is slight contact and a bump. B1 is not displaced. The contact forces A1 OOB for two to three steps; ball continues to front court along sideline inbounds. A1 comes back inbounds and continues dribble.
B1 was not located directly on the sideline; there was perhaps a foot of space between B1 and the boundary. It was through this gap that A1 dribbled when the contact occurred.
I got nothin'; fans want somethin'. What do you have?
Reference Case Book if you can. Thanks.
Sven
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In the both plays, you have two choices: 1) player control foul on A1 or 2) A1 has caused the ball to go out-of-bounds and in either case Team B will get the ball for a throw-in at the spot of the player control foul by A1 or the spot where A1 caused the ball to go out-of-bounds. I would be inclined to go with the out-of-bounds call myself in both of these plays.
I just got home from officiating and plead to being too tired and too lazy to look up the appropriate rules references and casebook plays/approved rulings. But the rules and casebook/apporved rulings for these two plays would be the same under NFHS, NCAA Mens'/Womens', and FIBA rules. But I am sure somebody will post them tonight or tomorrow."
In both of Sven's plays A1 has dribbled into no man's land. In both cases, we have either a PC foul against A1 or A1 has caused the ball to go out-of-bounds. Several posters have already quoted chapter and verse for me that support my interpretations and I thank them for doing my due diligence. This is not a difficult play and we probably see them a couple of times a game if one of the teams is well coached on the art of playing defense.
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Hey Mark, with all due respect you can repost this until hell freezes over but it doesn't make it right.
- Incidental contact is not a foul, I don't care where it happens
- It's not a violation if a player goes OOB during his interrupted dribble.
Sven already said he judged the contact to be incidental and he also said the we *perhaps* had an interrupted dribble. I'll agree it's OOB if there was not an interrupted dribble.
These are all consistent with NCAAM, NCAAW & NFHS.