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Originally posted by MN 3 Sport Ref
Sitch A1 dribbling near sideline and B1 gains legal guarding position such that A1 may not go around B1 unless he/she intentionally goes OOB to avoid contact. (i am throwing out the block/charge argument here that is a different story)
A1 performs the following actions.
A. without loosing dribble, A1 pushes the ball around B1 goes OOB around defender returns and either:
1. catches the ball
2. continues to dribble
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Have to see it. Even if A1 intentionally pushes the ball around, if the ball momentarily gets away from A1, the dribble is interrupted. If interrupted, then no violation. If you determine the dribble was not interrupted, then it is OOB the minute A1 steps OOB, so you never get to see 1 and 2. This is important, because some may think that the subsequent retrieval of the ball determines whether or not the dribble is interrupted - it does
not. that determination is made the moment the dribble escapes the dribbler, IMO.
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B. Looses the ball on an interrupted dribble goes OOB around defender, returns and either 1 or 2 above.
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No violation - interrupted dribble.
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C. Stops her dribble throws the ball over B1 goes OOB, returns in and either 1 or 2. (no need to answer this one obvious violation here)
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It is truly and obviously a double dribble!
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D. B1 stops dribble, fumbles the ball, goes OOB around defender returns IB and either 1 or 2.
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If A1 fumbled, A1 was not in control and also had already stopped the dribble. the dribble rule cannot apply here, because there is no dribble, just a fumble. If they pick it up, play on. If they dribble again, you have a double dribble, as with any othe fumble.
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Keep in mind the defender has legal guarding position does not force A1 OOB (goes out intentionally) and never touches the ball. [/B]
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I agree with bballref that you don't call anything on numerous basketball related reasons for going OOB w/o the ball in your hand or on the dribble. The save was probably the best example. The OOB rule is indeed intended to prevent unsporting behavior. I would not characterize this as an unsporting move, just a player trying to keep going and avoid contact at the same time.
MTD was right, we just don't get enough interesting calls these days. Doesn't anybody have something controversial to discuss?