Ok, here is now officially, the last of my pennies:
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Originally posted by rocketpast
The original post & you stated "there is contact". Where in the book does it say that the contact must be violent or defender must be displaced for a PC to be called?
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I would recommend that you read the section titled "Incidental Contact" under Rule 4 of the Fed rulebook. Incidental contact is contact with an opponent which is permitted and which does not constitute a foul.
The mere fact that contact occurs does not constitute a foul.
Contact which occurs unintentionally which may result when opponents are in equally favorable positions should NOT be considered illegal, even though the contact may be severe.
Similarly, contact which does not hinder the opponent from participating in normal movements should be considered incidental.
I've edited the rule and made my own emphasis, but I think that Sven's situation falls in this category. Yes, there was contact. That doesn't mean it was a foul. The defender was still able to make normal defensive movements, so that's NOT a foul. The contact was unintentional and a result of players with equally advantageous positions, so it's NOT a foul.
I'm sorry if you think I'm beating a dead horse. But you keep asking the same question. The contact, as described by Sven, is -- in my OPINION -- incidental. If you choose to call a foul in that situation, FINE. But it would be a bad call.
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Player Control foul is to reward the defense for moving their feet, not for taking impact.
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WHAT?!?!?! Are you kidding? Hey that kid has great footwork on defense -- call the player control!! A PC foul is called when the defender gets to a spot first and the ballhandler makes contact on the defender's torso that puts the defender at a disadvantage. No impact, no PC.
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Does not matter how slight or violent the contact is, by rule if contact is initiated by offense w/ball & defense in legal guarding position, then PC is the call.
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Again, please read the definition of Incidental Contact. If you choose to call a ball game using the standards you just stated, you will have 3 hour games and no players left at the end.
If you still disagree with me, so be it. I'm outta pennies.
Chuck