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Originally posted by rocketpast
As a former player, current youth coach and varsity official - you have to give the defense a call in this situation. Either OOB or PC.
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Disagree. I think my explanation above explains why. No disadvantage to the defender, then it can't be a PC. Ball never gets OOB status, then it can't be OOB. You can't make something up just b/c "the defender was there". The dribbler made a terrific play. Why is that so hard to accept?
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Second, this is a Middle School game. If a player at this level gets him/herself into good defensive position, then they must be rewarded with a call if contact is made.
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Again, disagree. A call must be made unless the contact is incidental. It sounds to me (without having seen the actual play) that the contact in the scenario is incidental.
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Most kids at this age do not know how to 'take a charge' properly by flopping to the ground.
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Flopping to the ground is not how to take a charge properly. Flopping will not get me to blow my whistle.
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What happens when a 125 pound sophomore guard drives the lane and a 280 pound senior football player in shorts gets position? The little guy goes flying & the big guy doesn't flinch.
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In this case, the defender was not disadvantaged. He is still in perfect position to play defense. No call. If the contact was violent in nature, then maybe you have something, but it still wouldn't be a PC, as you seem to advocate.
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And, 'yes', the rule book does support you calling a PC foul in the original situation.
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Again (surprise!!
), I disagree. If the contact was slight and did not disadvantage the defender (which, in our case, it did not), then the rulebook does NOT support calling a foul on the dribbler. The rulebook calls that incidental contact.
Chuck
[Edited by ChuckElias on Feb 5th, 2003 at 02:29 PM]