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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Bainsey, quite simply you have a very weak understanding of some very basic basketball rules. It's truly unfortunate that you a have a local IAABO board interpreter that shares that problem and can't help you out.
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First of all, leave my interpreter out of this. I'm engaging in this rules dicussion; he is not. If we disagree, then fine. Let's back up our statements with facts, not attacks.
Now, my replies...
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Team control is completely irrelevant when it comes to traveling. And we sureashell haven't been discussing backcourt violations.
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That was Snaq's point, not mine. He was trying to inject the concept of player control into his backcourt example, and I was pointing out that's about team control, not player control. So, while you're correct that team control has nothing to do with travelling, that's not something I ever said.
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How about dribble-fumble-grab ball? You do realize that's what you insist on saying has to be traveling, don't you?
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You're 0-for-2, sir. I clearly stated the fumble "does not wipe the slate clean." So, dribble-fumble-grab ball = dribble-grab ball = legal.
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Did you even bother to read case book play 4.15COMMENT? The one that said that there's NO player control during a batt? [sic]
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Make that 0-for-3. I never said there was travelling during a bat, nor is this relevent to my point.
The very weak understanding is not my rules knowledge, sir, but rather your understanding of my point, as evident above. Or, you're ready to jump on me for disagreements we've had before, and aren't all that concerned about considering my point.
Re-read my point from earlier, and if you don't understand it, ask for clarity. Be careful what motivates you.