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Originally Posted by Judtech
1) But the Big Dog Debbie spent a lot of time going over what type of elbow contact was a foul and what was considered a "basketball play"
2) If a rebounder secures the rebound under their chin, pivots and the elbows are the same speed as the rest of the body, we shouldn't have a foul.
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1) I'm sorry, but whether it's a "basketball play" or not is irrelevant. I don't know who Debbie is, but she's just wrong on the rule. Perhaps there is a different Approved Ruling for the Women's side, but by rule, the distinction of making a basketball play has no bearing on whether it's a foul or not.
2) This is simply not true. The play you describe must be an intentional foul. Here is part of the most recent bulletin from John Adams and Art Hyland:
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Memo from the National Coordinator - November 30, 2010
Tuesday, November 30, 2010
To: NCAA Men's Basketball Officials
From: John W. Adams and Art Hyland
Greetings:
Both Art Hyland and I have been inundated with questions involving what officials may and may not do as it pertains to one type of play, i.e., illegal contact above the shoulders as a result of non-excessive swinging the elbows during a "basketball play". The penalty for this type of play was changed to an intentional foul.
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It doesn't get any clearer than that. A basketball play that results in elbow contact above the shoulders is an intentional foul.
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3) Now if the torso and elbows move faster then the rest of the body, we have a dealers choice of Flagrant or Intentional.
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This again is simply false. If the elbows swing faster than the torso, that is (by definition) excessive; and if contact results
anywhere on the opponent, it is by rule a
flagrant foul. Again, I defer to John Adams:
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By rule, officials can only call a violation for excessively swinging the elbows. If you call this violation and go to the monitor and discover there was contact, you have no choice but to call it a flagrant foul and eject the offending player since the violation you called was for excessively swinging the elbows.
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I don't mean to sound condescending, but you really need to check back with somebody who knows these rules and clarify what you heard (or thought you heard) from Debbie.