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Originally posted by Derock1986
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Originally posted by Ed Hickland
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Originally posted by Derock1986
Derock, with all due respect, you are incorrectly interpreting the rules. Rule 5-1-2 was newly written with the rule change in 1997 in order to clarify the award of a new series. Rule 5-3-1 as revised clearly states the line-to-gain is established after all penalties have been enforced before the ready for play .
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You left off a key part of Rule 5-3-1. It starts off by saying When a new series of downs is awarded, the line-to-gain is established after all penalties have been enforced before the ready for play. This rule doesn't specify when a new series of downs is awarded but 5-1-2 does. My understanding is you must apply rule 5-1-2 first before you can apply 5-3-1. If 5-3-1 is contingent upon when a new series of downs is awarded (5-1-2) but you don't clearly understand rule 5-1-2, then how can you effectively apply rule 5-3-1???
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One more time!
This comes directly from the 1997 Case Book. How much more definitive can you get. Rule 5-1-2 was a 1997 Editorial Change and it so states:
Coverage was added to specify how a new series is awarded when enforcement of penalties are involved. The coverage was added to clarify establishing the line to gain and setting the equipment when a new series is gained.
After a first, second or third down, a new series of downs is awarded only after considering the effect of any act during the down and any dead-ball foul. However, on fourth down a new series must be gained without benefit of a penalty for a nonplayer or unsportsmanlike foul.
Once a new series is awarded to either Team A or Team B, the penalties for all fouls, including nonplayer and unsportsmanlike, are administered before the chain and box are set indicating the line to gain. This additional coverage should help clarify the procedure.
Rule 5-1-2b in other words states, for all downs except fourth when you reach the line-to-gain penalties will be applied and the chain set for the new series. But, on a fourth down A must reach the line-to-gain during the down. Any penalties occurring after the down against B will not cause A to be awarded a first down.
The reason for 5-1-2 is Fundamental I-7 states after a distance penalty the ball belongs to the team in possession of the ball at the time of the foul.
Team A failing to make the line-to-gain has turned possession to Team B. Any dead ball, unsportsmanlike or nonplayer fouls cannot cause Team A to maintain possession.
With that Derock, I rest my case.