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Originally posted by Derock1986
I have to disagree with you Mr Ed. Rule 5-1-2 talks about awarding a new series of down. 5-3-1 talks about penalty enforcement AFTER a new series of downs has been awarded and before the ready for play signal. In the situation provided by Mike Sears, a new series of downs had not been awarded and by rule 5-1-2 you must consider the effects of any act during the down AND any dead-ball foul BEFORE you award a new series of downs. The dead ball foul will be enforced from the succeeding spot but the result of the play and dead ball foul brings up 2nd and 5.
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But I'm only a youth official so what do I know.
Derock
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Derock, with all due respect, you are incorrectly interpreting the rules. Rule 5-1-2 was newly written with the rule change in 1997 in order to clarify the award of a new series. Rule 5-3-1 as revised clearly states the
line-to-gain is established after all penalties have been enforced before the ready for play . Also, apply Fundamental X.4 "Penalty enforcement for any dead ball, nonplayer or unsportsmanlike foul is from the succeeding spot."
On the play in question A had reached the line-to-gain when the down ended. First down. Check my earlier post and it refers to a couple of case book plays to enforce this. You indicate first down. Then you march off 15 yards against A for a dead ball foul from the succeeding spot -- the end of the run. At that point you apply 5-3-1 and establish a new line-to-gain.
I also quoted the previous rule and the big change was no longer did you establish the line-to-gain from the succeeding spot which caused offenses to end up with a new series starting up to 25 yards to the line-to-gain.
I think many of us here are in agreement 5-1-2 does not properly convey its meaning and that happens often throughout the rule book. That is why every chapter has a knowledgeable rule interpreter to address these ambiguities.