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Originally posted by Ed Hickland
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Originally posted by mikesears
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#3 1/10 from the A-25. Result of the play is a first down. The dead ball penalty happened between the end of the play and the RFP. Assess the yardage and set the chains.
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I guess I am mininterpretting NFHS Rule 5-1-2. It states as follows:
A new series of downs is awarded as follows:
After a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd down, a new series of downs shall be awarded only after considering the effect of any act during the down and any dead ball foul.
After a 4th down, a new series of downs shall be awarded only after considering the effect of any act during the down, other than a nonplayer or unsportsmanlike.
In the situation I posted above, it was 1/10. Team A obtained the line-to-gain during the play but commited a dead-ball personal foul. We should consider that act before awarding a new set of downs, right? Or am I misinterpreting this somehow? Help and comments are always appreciated.
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Rule 5-1-2 pertains to live ball fouls. Dead ball fouls are penalized from the dead ball spot after 5-1-2 is applied.
That happened in the Tennessee-Oakland game.
Once A reaches the line-to-gain it will be a first down. Then the dead ball penalty will be applied. Then first and 10.
Before 5-1-2 was revised that dead ball penalty would have been enforced from the dead ball spot giving an additional 15 yards to the line-to-gain. In other words, A would get the first and ten. Then a 15-yard penalty. First and 25.
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The NFL aside, I'm still having difficulty with the 1,2, or 3 down situation. I'm thinking out loud here.
When we talk about "a new series" we are talking about "moving the chains" for a new 1/10 situation, correct?
If be in complete agreement if the rule read, "After a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd down, a new series of downs shall be awarded only after considering the effect of any act during the down.(PERIOD)
and any dead ball foul.
Let's rephrase using my understanding of the rule (this may be where I am mistaken):
After 1,2, or 3 down, the chains are moved only after considering the action that occured and any fouls that occur during the down (including dead ball fouls).
I guess my question is this: What do we do with the part about "and any dead ball foul"?
Isn't a late hit a dead ball foul? It isn't non-player and it isn't classified as UC. Isn't this an act we should consider before awarding a first down? I'm having difficulty understanding this. What other rules come into play in this situation?
Does anyone have a casebook reference that would further explain this rule?
I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm tyring to firm this up in my own mind.
Thanks!
[Edited by mikesears on Jan 20th, 2003 at 12:39 PM]