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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
Nice parrot line....None of what you said addresses the play as I presented it.
Pregame has NOTHING to do with how you ultimately resolve this situation.
If the player is coming along the line separating the two areas (and the player received the ball in that location), just who's area is it in and who's area is it actually coming from?
The point is that the NCAA-W rule has holes in it...there are situations that it still doesn't resolve.
The officials STILL have to agree about exactly where the foul occurred to determine who's primary it was in....and some plays will be in both.
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Camron - what "holes" are you talking about in the NCAA-W mechanic?
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When the players are straddling two primaries and is moving in a direction that is neither toward or away from either one, who's call is it?
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
How do you handle ANY double-whistle situation? How about a double whistle where one official has a foul, and the other official signals a travel? And the play happened in a dual-coverage area? How does a crew handle that in NCAA-M or NFHS, vs. the NCAA-W rule and mechanic on a blarge?
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Easy...ALL other double whistles involve TWO different events. You decided which happened first and penalize accordingly. The blarge is ONE single event....neither could happen before the other....with two different opinions about what happened. It is a matter of deciding which person is right...or not.
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Pre-gaming these plays is the BEST way to determine how they will be resolved on the court. And the blarge is no different than any other double-whistle situation where two officials have different calls.
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How does pregaming decide where a play will happen on the court? That is the problem, not that you'll yield to the primary.
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
To me, the double foul call on a blarge is simply a cop-out call, and there is absolutely no rule basis behind it. However, I understand the reason for the call is because officials still do not always use the proper mechanics, so when they don't in this case, both teams get penalized. It's not fair to one of the teams, but perhaps that's the penalty for an official screwing up.
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Actually, I feel the NCAA-W method is the cop-out. NCAA-W rules arbitrarily determine who is getting the foul based on whether their foot was 6 inches on one side of an invisible line or the other....not based on the actions of the players. The official who got it wrong just as well could be the one the NCAA-W rules defer to.
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
But, if a blarge does happen, the NCAA-W rule is still the best way, overall rule-wise, to handle it, just like any other double-whistle situation.
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I disagree. At least with the double foul, you don't end up tagging the person/team with foul that deserved it least while the other person/team gets no penalty. It should either be both or neither.