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Originally Posted by mbcrowder
Well ... if R had blown his whistle when he was supposed to, we probably don't have the 15 yarder, but I guess we have to deal with it anyway as there is no "Inadvertant Forgot To Blow The Whistle". (And to those, who like me regularly say, the whistle doesn't kill the play; the play kills the play... I think that in a case like this where it's NOT obvious that the play is over (heck even the R didn't realize it), you do need a whistle and need to be a little lenient on that after-the-play late hit (we probably had several... just didn't know it.)
There's 2 ways to look at this. I probably would have not gone the route you went. Since you didn't blow it dead, and have what seems to be a LIVE ball foul for the facemask - you have offsetting live ball fouls (the illegal forward pass and the facemask) after a turnover. Hope someone way back where still has their bag on the ground.
If you treat the FM as a dead ball personal foul after the play (a bit of a stretch to me since you didn't flag all the other action after the play ended), then you can have the safety and then the free kick from the 35 as described.
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Hey, can you quit saying "you"? I am happy to say I had nothing to do with this play!
Another crew in our area had this play happen and we've been discussing it for a couple of weeks.
Can I pose another "What If"?
What if B55 had entered his own endzone and then peeled back into the field of play and, while at his 2 yard line thinking he had scored a touchdown, flipped the ball to the R? Now we have a fumble at the 2 after a change of possession and the rest of the play happens as described. (B recovers in their own endzone while during the loose ball A is flagged for a PF facemask.)
I say the basic spot is the 2. B retains possession. 1st and 10 from their own 17. Am I correct on that one?