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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
With all due respect, I think you need to read 4-4-7. ...
Which rule is that, exactly?
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I read through the pertinent rules / cases a bit more thoroughly and I'll agree that what I wrote was in error to the current rules.
Going through what happens during a throw-in, we have these things that have to happen:
A. Ball becomes live.
B. Ball is at disposal of thrower.
C. Throw-in begins.
D. Throw-in count begins.
6-1-2 (now) tells us that the ball is live
(A) when the ball is at the disposal of the thrower
(B) and the official starts his count
(D).
4-4-7d: Ball is at the disposal of a player
(B) following a made goal when it is available to him.
4-42-3: The throw-in
(C) and the throw-in count
(D) begin when the ball is at the disposal of the player entitled to it
(B).
So I think that a problem lies that 4-42-3 tells us that
B (disposal) causes
D (count begins) and
C (throw-in begins) to happen immediately. Now, 6-1-2 tells us that
A (ball live) occurs when
B (disposal) and
D (count begins) happen, even though
B (disposal) is supposed to have already caused
D (count begins).
So Scrapper, if you aren't confused by the jumbled mess that I wrote above, I believe that what you said is that after a made basket, the ball is at the disposal of the thrower (i.e. available to him). But if the official does not start counting, then the ball is not live, per the change to 6-1-2. However the official not counting is directly in contradiction to 4-42-3.