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Originally Posted by KJUmp
Yet the NCAA philosophy on this, as stated in manual is: "Do not allow accept or allow changes you know are illegal."
They go onto say, "If a coach requests a change that you know is not legal, do not allow it to happen. If, after being told he cannot make a certain change, the coach asks what he can do, tell him-if you understand what he is trying to accomplish."
So here at the one of the higher levels, we are being directed to do just that...babysit the teams in regard to lineup management.
Doesn't make any difference to me, it's their (NCAA) rule set so I do what they tell me they want me to do. I'm always somewhat unsure has to how far I should take this philosophy (if at all) when I'm working under ASA rules.
Where is the proper spot to draw the line between preventive umpiring and "coaching/babysitting" coaches regarding lineup changes working ASA or for that matter NFHS, or any other rule sets many of us work?
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No, that is not the same thing as this thread supposes.
Yes, you don't allow a change that was not legal, but as concerned in a thread or two ago, this thread has just taken a left turn to a completely different scenario.
If your answer to everything is "preventive umpiring" then I expect each umpire to take one change at a time, observe that change physically occur including watching the replaced player enter the dugout and then turn to the coach and ask if there is anything else you can do for him/her.
Absurd? Absolutely, just as it is to dress down an umpire because a coach offered an umpire a valid and legal change and his player failed to execute it.