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Originally Posted by NFump
First, the play johnny posted proved nothing, first play doesn't even come into it. Award was same TOP or TOT.
It's pretty obvious you need possession before the legitimate effort, just as you have to have possession before you have a catch, thus a catch can only be made by a player WITH possession. The sticking point is the effort part. Is there a legitimate effort being made by the fielder in catching a fly ball to retire a runner? Legitimate meaning legal, effort meaning action.
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NFump,
You didn't actually read the play johnny posted, did you?
If you were to read it, you would see that it unequivocally states that:
1. The throw was the first play by an infielder, even though he had just made a catch (it actually says that twice).
2. Whether the runner was between 1st & 2nd when the throw was released or 2nd & 3rd, the proper award is 3B (this was the "b" ruling - perhaps you didn't get that far).
3. Because a first play throw that goes out of play is a TOP award.
I mean, I don't kow what to say.
Do you think johnny just "made up" what he posted? He didn't. It's in my copy of the MLBUM too.
Perhaps you think the authors of the MLBUM were being imprecise or sloppy with their language.
Sorry, you're wrong.
JM