Hit By Pitch

DG

yawetag wrote
Which is easily answered with "If your batter hits a home run on a ball that bounces, should I bring him back?"

Better answer is "So, what's your point?", instead of bringing up a completely different situation.

TwoBits

If a coach insists on pursuing this argument, ask them why an MLB pitcher doesn't try to bounce one and hit a batter in the shins or ankles. If it was possible to bean a player AND keep him batting, a pro would have figured out how to do it by now.

Then try to hide your smile when they give you the deer in headlights look...

jicecone

OBR- "A BALL is a pitch which does not enter the strike zone in flight and is not struck at by the batter.

Rule 2.00 (Ball) Comment: If the pitch touches the ground and bounces through the strike zone it is a “ball.” If such a pitch touches the batter, he shall be awarded first base."

Just learn the rule and tell them to look it up if they don't believe you. There is no need to give a smart-a** answer or any other irrelavant scenario when the facts are in black and white.

GA Umpire

If he is not swinging, the call is "Time! Batter go to 1B." Any runners forced by the batter can advance 1 base. Those not forced stay at their TOP base.

Unless the batter swings at it, then it is "Time! Strike #. Batter stay here." If strike 3, he is out. All runners have to return their TOP base.

Is this enough of a consistent answer for you to realize what the correct call is? Those who say it is not a HBP are wrong. Ignore them in regards to umpiring forever.

TwoBits

jicecone wrote
Just learn the rule and tell them to look it up if they don't believe you. There is no need to give a smart-a** answer or any other irrelavant scenario when the facts are in black and white.

I've sat in the stands and have seen this happen: ball hit ground and batter, batter awarded first. Coach protests, rule book brought out, coach sees rule, but still refuses to believe it. For some coaches, black and white still isn't enough.

Rich Ives

TwoBits wrote
I've sat in the stands and have seen this happen: ball hit ground and batter, batter awarded first. Coach protests, rule book brought out, coach sees rule, but still refuses to believe it. For some coaches, black and white still isn't enough.

Which rukle do you show him?

Show him 2.00 "Ball" - it's REAL clear there.

DG

TwoBits wrote
I've sat in the stands and have seen this happen: ball hit ground and batter, batter awarded first. Coach protests, rule book brought out, coach sees rule, but still refuses to believe it. For some coaches, black and white still isn't enough.

Who brought out the rule book and why? This is Rules 101 stuff.

MrUmpire

TwoBits wrote
I've sat in the stands and have seen this happen: ball hit ground and batter, batter awarded first. Coach protests, rule book brought out, coach sees rule, but still refuses to believe it. For some coaches, black and white still isn't enough.

If the coach brought out the rule book, he's gone. If the umpire brought out the rule book, he's a fool.

DG

MrUmpire wrote
If the coach brought out the rule book, he's gone. If the umpire brought out the rule book, he's a fool.

It's why I asked. I have seen umpires call for the rulebook one time, in a game I was observing.

TwoBits

FED game in Missouri. On field protests of rule misapplications are allowed. Coach has ten minutes to prove the umpire was wrong by citing the correct rule. However, the state association has instructed officials to point out the correct ruling in the rule book when possible so as to not delay the game unnecesarily.

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