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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by MN 3 Sport Ref
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by MN 3 Sport Ref
Time running down in 3rd quarter HS boys Varsity game. A1 drives to basket and dunks just as time expires. I count basket. A1 then procedes to do a pull up on rim. Technical foul called. The question is, are the free throws administered as an extension of the third quarter and then we go to the area to start the fourth; or do the tech throws start the 4th quarter w/ B then getting the ball at half court. Remember the ball is dead when it passes through the basket and the quarter had expired when the T was whistled.
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The "act of shooting" doesn't end until the shooter hits the floor.Therefore,the act of hanging on the rim is part of the 3rd. quarter.Fourth quarter starts with the AP.
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JR: I don't think that is correct: Reading rule 5-6-4, I think we start the the 4th with the tech throws.
5-6-4 states: If a tech foul occurs after the ball has become dead (it did when it went through the hoop 6-7-1) to end a period, The next quarter is started w/ the administering of the free throws. This as long as the free throws have no affect on the playing of an extra period. (didn't it was the end of the third)
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Check out R4-1. If a player dunks a ball and then charges a stationary defender on the way down,do you ignore the PC foul because the ball was dead? Nope-because the "act of shooting" hasn't ended until the shooter returns to the floor.The same reasoning applies to your play! The play has to be completed. In this case,the play isn't completed until the shooter lands(by R4-1),so the T has to be a part of the 3rd. quarter.JMO.
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JR:
I agree w/ this statement about the shooter being airborne till he lands. However the fact that the player is an airborne shooter has nothing to do w/ the fact that the T occurs after:
1. The ball had become dead (through the hoop)
2. The period had ended.
Because these two conditions are met, IMO the T must be shot to start the 4th. This is supported word for word in 5-6-4.
The reason this is important is the fact that if the T is shot to start the 4th B automatically gets the ball. Conversely if the T is shot as an extension of the third, Aor B may get the ball to start the 4th (depending on AP)