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Old Tue Dec 22, 2009, 09:52am
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My goodness. Where did I write anything of the sort? I merely commented on what you expressed as an opinion. I wrote nothing at all about your assignments, your potential selection for post-season, or your officiating ability. YOU inferred all of those sentiments. News flash: it's not all about you.
Go back and reread what you wrote that I reponded to. Your post was patronizing and based on an assumption (your word) that was wrong. You know what happens when you assume.

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I have posted on this very forum several times that having the ADs and coaches involved in the post-season selection process compromises the integrity of the game. I still stand by that position. So if the system is the way that you describe it in your state, then it likely is problematic. Still I believe that the officials who are deserving will find their way there. Afterall, the coaches have great interest in making sure that they get a fair shake at that time of the season and Homer Joe isn't going to be their #1 choice when they know that they must travel.
Most officials that work it ARE deserving. But as a long time watcher of the later rounds and the televised final fours, its real easy to pick out officials whose time has passed them by and are there purely for political reasons. SO again, your belief is based on an assumption that is wrong. [ /b]


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So you do have a friend in the system. Good for you. Glad that he agrees with your opinion. I do not. I will note that you didn't bother to respond to the part where I inquired upon what rule basis he would make such a decision. Probably because you are well aware that he doesn't have any.
LOL. He's hardly a friend. In fact, despite being my assignor, I doubt he could put my name to my face. He is, however, regarded across the state as the top rules interpretor. The reason there is no rule basis is because there isn't one that requires officials to be contract law or privy to individual athletic department policies and procedures. We are only required to meet with the HC, whomever it is, prior to the beginnning of the game. That was his interpretation which is what the OHSAA pays him for. I repeat, there is nothing in the rulebook covering how the HC is chosen.


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Why do you assume that I was talking about YOUR liability? Do you ever consider the school district's point of view, or the AD's? How about the actual Head Coach him/herself? I was thinking about a polite question to coach/AD along the lines of "Do you know how that would impact your school's insurance policy?" or "Have you okay'd that with the (insert name of state association)?"
Why would I assume that it was anything OTHER than about me? Now you are the one venturing way beyond the rulebook. You want ME to worry about the school's liability? Why would I care or since I'm not an attorney even be qualified to look at that?

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I know that in my area all Head Coaches are required to obtain certification from the state office, and that entails taking a course in which they must learn and demonstrate proficiency in CPR and response to basic emergency medical situations. The state office and the school wants a person with such skills accompanying the team on the bus or at an away site just in case there is a problem. If the person who takes over doesn't have that certification, then the whole purpose of this program has been ruined.
And again, why is that the official's responsibility? It certainly isn't spelled out anywhere in the rulebook or official's manual.

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I would contend that your reading comprehension is the area of difficulty.Yep, I know and enforce the rules as written. I guess that you don't care for that. For the record, I do not allow the cheerleaders on the floor during 30-second time-outs. Nice to see that you elect to set that rule aside--makes me wonder what else you don't bother to enforce.
So, does Nevada have the coaching box? Do you spend half the time looking over your shoulder making sure those darn coaches stay in their box? Or as another example, do you ref the whole floor instead of your primary to make sure your partner calls every travel and carry? I never said I set aside the rule. In fact, in a response to someone less impressed with themselves, I even agreed that I handle that situation similar to them. But in the advantage/dosadvantage area, if they're at the other end of the floor and are off the floor before the horn, I'm not runnig down there to scold them.



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To set the facts straight your error was made in an earlier post in this thread, not previous one, and mbyron was actually the first to poke fun at you about it. I guess that makes him an *** as well.
Perhaps you should lighten up and learn to take a joke. If you can't even stand our making fun of a spelling mistake of yours, then one would have to wonder how you handle grief from the spectators. Perhaps you put your fingers in your ears as you run up and down the court.
I have no problem with my Buckeye Brethern, because he nailed me (and rightly so), within the context of that discussion. However, to take that shot outside the context of the error is just rude.

For the record, I generally ignore spectators, although ironically, I had one removed last night. In my entire career, that was my 5th fan to be removed. And the 4th from the same school.


Look, the bottom line in all this is that you cannot establish any justification within the rules to disallow the designation of an interim HC to stand in place of the HC who has a physical problem, and I quoted the state rules interprtors judgement of the official who agrees with you. Everything he said fits. As long as this is done prior to the coach's meeting (in our area at 2:00 mark), there is no reason not to allow it. I trust the interpretor allot more than your judgement which I believe has repeatedly been shown to be flawed and too rigid.
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