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A good point Bob - however, I think that this Question (under 4-15) covers the situation when the ball is being batted away from the player. I would agree that the player is not in control in this situation.
The situation that I am talking about occurs when the player has DELIBERATELY (ie. under control) directed the ball towards themselves to avoid the defence. I would consider that the start of the dribble since the player had sufficient control over the ball to direct towards themselves. As in 4-15-3 "The dribble may be started by pushing, throwing or batting the ball to the floor." The key point is whether or not the official feels that the player had control over the bat. If somone has sufficient control to bat towards themselves, keeping the ball away from the defense, then I would refer to this as the start of the dribble.
In such a case, I need a clear-cut case of control to determine this. If the defence makes a good play and forces the offence to use up their dribble, I support this.
David
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