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Originally Posted by pjerwin
Now, another part RE: this scenario. The two penalties that vacate the TD are an undefined procedure call and holding. Given these two calls, what rationale could result in a loss of yardage AND loss of down?
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There are a couple of contradictions in your question. If 2, or more live ball fouls are committed by the same team, the offended team gets to choose which one will be enforced. That is considered a multiple foul.
Any single accepted live ball foul will negate the score and provide for some yardage penalty. Only Illegal Forward Pass, Intentional grounding, Illegal forward handing, Illegal touching and Offensive Pass Interference include a loss of down provision. For other live ball foul enforcements, the down is repeated for accepted penalties.
When there is any combination of live ball fouls (multiple or not), with additional dead ball fouls, one live ball foul may be enforced plus any, and each, dead ball foul if there is more than one.
Dead ball fouls happen after a play has ended, so in esence the play has completed before the foul occured, so the succeeding down will be the "next" down.
Both Illegal procedure (which may have been caused by an illegal formation of some sort) or holding are live ball fouls, so only one of them should be applied (offended team's choice). Both call for loss of yardage penalty but neither and neither call for a penalty of loss of down.