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Originally Posted by umpman1
Searching the Forum shows that this subject hasn't been addressed in the last couple of years and newcomers like me could benefit from the discussion.
The books (ASA, NFHS) are clear on what is meant by in the box
1) before the pitch is thrown
2) when the batter makes contact with the ball the first time
What is not clear is the meaning of the words used to define a foul ball (ASA Rule 1):
"Touches the batter... while the batter is WITHIN THE BATTER"S BOX."
A batter is out of the box during initial contact if one or both are on the ground, completely outside of the lines of the box. A pitcher is out of the circle if she has one or both feet on the ground completely outside the line of the circle. The fielder is out of play if she has one or both feet on the ground completely outside the out of play line.
It seems to me that WITHIN means that no part of the body is touching the ground outside of the line, but yet I know from reading old threads that this is not a view held by everyone on this board.
I am looking for a rational, substantiated ruling that I can teach my younger umpires. What is your interpretation?
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I think the rules are quite clear, no need for "interpretations". Since the requirement is to be "within" the box/circle and if the foot touching the ground is completely outside of the box/circle, obviously the lines are considered inside the box since being on the lines means you are not outside the lines.
Completely out of the box/circle means that no part of the foot which is touching the ground is on or inside the line.
I could go on, but I really have only repeated what you have already posted which may seem redundant, but just said again.
IOW, what the hell are you talking about?