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Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu
I say a lot of things that aren't in the manual. I might say "Wow! That was a great catch." or after F3 throws home for a tag play at the plate when s/he had a play at 1B for the third out: "Gee, I didn't expect that." I think you've said it before that the rule book can't contain every possible situation and scenario or it would be many volumes long. If it's in the book, you should say it, example: verbalize obstruction. But if it's not in the book, that doesn't mean that you can't say it.
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The ONLY words that should come out of an umpire's mouth when a ball is put into play is "foul" or "dead ball". Anything else and you may place the BR in jeopardy. As a player, I have often been in tournaments where there would be some umpire who would say "good ball" or "that's in there" only to have the BR stop dead in his tracks because he heard the umpire verbalize something. There is a reason we do not verbalize "fair".
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For the 2 rules that you've reference, the ball will need to be delivered to the batter in order for the violation to be called. At that point a PU can call "Illegal!" If the batter does nothing, a ball will be awarded to the batter. However, if the batter swings the IP is canceled. So at that point, you'd have the result of the swing. PU called an IP, and the batter chose to ignore that information and take his chances anyway.
That only leaves the addtional call of no pitch. Since the IP has now become moot, the only thing to deal with is the no pitch. The batter hit the ball, but because of the no pitch call, it doesn't count. Bring 'em back, do it over.
Seems very simple to me...
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Sorry, Ted, you can attempt to justify this as much as you want, I think you are incorrect and would rule in that manner if protested.