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Originally Posted by LakeErieUmp
OK, I must be missing something. The post said TWO outs - you can't advance the runners due to the force and still call the batter out. That adds up to THREE outs by my math.
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Yep, you are. Re-read gumpire's post. It says that if the ball wasn't caught and it would have been a fair ball, put the BR on 1B and advance the runners, if forced.
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Originally Posted by LakeErieUmp
In my opinion, this is one of those situations when the players and coaches really are supposed to know the rules. The infield fly call mechanic is really just confirmation that (1) we are aware of the situation, and (2) that it's an "infield" fly vs. a ball too far past the basepaths for IF to apply.
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Too far past the basepaths? I'm going out on a limb here and guessing that you don't really mean that. Calling an IFF has zero to do with basepaths, and everything to do with whether an infielder can catch the ball with ordinary effort. The infielder can be standing in the grass and jog halfway into the outfield, and it will still be an IFF as long as he did so with ordinary effort.
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Originally Posted by LakeErieUmp
In this situation, the batter must know that IF does not apply with 2 outs; his coaches must know and yell at her/him to keep running. The God Rule does not provide for do-overs.
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No, that's our job. It'd be nice if they knew, but the reality is that a lot of people, even HUGE fans of the game, can't explain what the IFF rule is. Maybe I'm spending too much time in the trenches with rec-league softball that I consider it a luxury to have players understand basic rules, but that's just how I see it.