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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Obviously, I couldn't disagree more.
1. LGP is not a factor in the rebounding play, so you can't cite a rule discussing that to support your opinion.
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I was addressing your drive play...it is fully relevant...and by extension to demonstrate that the rebounding play is a foul on the player who is invading another player's space.
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
2. Use "you" instead of "we" because I certainly don't call a foul on B2 in your example.
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Let me rephrase...we, the referees who make the correct call,....
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
3. Even if the play involved LGP, such as the example that I gave, you are still in error because you believe this, [referring to 4-23-3d] "It doesn't say they can do so as long as there is no contact," and this, "Who causes the contact is irrelevant, it is about who is in an illegal position when contact occurs."
You are failing to understand that 4-23-3d must be taken in the context of what is written about guarding in 4-23-1. Those are the basics of guarding and everything that is stated there applies to the later articles.
4-23-1 "... Every player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first without illegally contacting an opponent."
That's the guiding principle. (There are exceptions for airborne and fast moving players.)
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All fine except it is all wrong.
A player gets a spot "on the playing court", not in the air over another player and his/her spot. A1, having his/her arms over B1 is not in that spot at all. A1 is invading B1's spot. Again, you are not in a spot just becasue you get your arms over the spot. If that were even remotely true, you could set a screen by extendeding your arms into a space before the another player arrives....but the rules clearly indicate that having the arms extended into a space doesn't give that player the right to that spot.
If A1 is able to get his feet over B1's head, then, maybe, he'll also have that spot, but not by just getting his/her arms into the space.