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The first example seems pretty cut and dried. Anything can happen on the snap.
The second one seems as if trouble was brewing way before it got to the boiling point. This may not be kosher, but when a team has a huge lead and is intent on rubbing it in the other team's face for whatever reason, there's always a hold on A on any long scoring play - funny how that works out. If the other team has subs in and just made a great play, so be it, but when the starters are in or sent back in in a blowout for the sole purpose of rubbing salt in the wound, holds by A tend to spring up in my games.
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