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RD,
Yes, it has been a good discussion with many people making some good points. Personally, I have enjoyed this forum and think the people who respond on it are quite knowledgeable. Thanks to all.
That being said, I have been persuaded by your arguments that your friend's play is a simultaneous technical foul situation.
Two things really make it clear for me, so I will share them:
1. We all seem to agree that simultaneous fouls cannot be one technical and one personal. They must be either both technical or both personal.
2. I remembered my fundamentals. Page 73 Basketball Rules Fundamentals #16 The official's whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead).
Therefore, whether the officials blows the whistle before or after the player is clothes-lined, the ball is already dead. (It became dead when the player ran out-of-bounds, thus committing a technical foul. I suppose it must be unsporting behavior to leave the court for an unauthorized reason, and that is why this is a technical foul even though it happens during a live ball!) So we now know that the contact foul is a dead ball foul and is a technical foul. Clearly, we all feel that the contact was excessive and thus meets the definition of an intentional foul and should be called during the dead ball. Since, these fouls happened "at approximately the same time" they are simultaneous Ts.
Now to RD, I also think you are correct that my PS situation is a false double foul even though I was trying to make them simulataneous fouls. The reasons are similar to above. 1. simul fouls cannot be one of each (T and P).
2. It does really matter when the whistles blow as the ball becomes dead with the first foul.
I agree with your reasoning that the coach is yelling because he wants a foul called so it is easy to say that actually happened first.
Finally, that means in my PS play, we do shoot free throws and then give the ball to the team whose coach was not charged with the T for throw-in at the division line.
Lastly, I'm glad to see that we all would have called the play the same way in real life (ignore the OOB and only call the intentional), despite the rules discussion that is only useful for a test question.
Again thanks to all. It has been thought-provoking.
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