Glad to see so many good answers to my question. Thank you all so much for all the good tips and pointers. You are a wealth of knowledge, unfortunately the knowledge isn't that valueable.
T and water would have the same effect on said coach since they have the same make up. "Suprised you didn't know that".(ala tommy boy)
Thank you to the one gut who actually had some feed back for me. I'll try the PM thing