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					Originally Posted by  deecee
					 
				 
				yes thats what i am trying to say except you said it better.  and by cylinder than means circular and i allow the offensive player room to pivot. 
			
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 Not if he pivots into the defender's cylinder.  If a defender is just standing, let's say, 18 inches, from a rebounder, and the rebounder, not knowing that the defender was there, simply pivots, without excessively swinging the elbows, and hits the defender, with an elbow, in the face, the I'm calling a player control foul.