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Old Sun Feb 08, 2009, 03:50pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee View Post
Follow the rules means that you need to read and know the rules first. Did you even bother to read the case book play that I cited, JAR?

1)Casebook play 10.4.5SitA: Post players begin punching each other AND PLAY IS STOPPED.
RULING:A1 and B1 are charged with flagrant fouls and are disqualified, but no free throws result from the double PERSONAL flagrant fouls.

2)Casebook play 10.4.5SitB: A fight breaks out between A1 and B1 during a DEAD ball and clock-stopped situation.
RULING: A1 and B1 are charged with flagrant TECHNICAL fouls and are disqualified.


The FED drew you a roadmap to follow with these 2 case plays. Note that both are under a section titled "ENTERING COURT DURING FIGHT". In #1 above, the fight occurred during a live ball. The result is a double flagrant PERSONAL foul. In #2 above, the fight occurred during a dead ball. The result is a double flagrant TECHNICAL foul.

Whatinthehell more do you want?
I read it. Same as I read it every time this comes up. You consider this to be a road map on how to call this play. The information you cite is all under 10-4, which deals with bench technicals. The mention of the fight itself is merely a side note, and has nothing to do with this rule.

10-3, on the other hand, deals with player technicals. It says that a player shall not be charged with fighting. How much clearer can that be?

Also: Penalties: Rule 10 summary 8. Fighting: a. Players on the court: (2) Number of participant are not corresponding............. Offended team awarded a division line throw in.

This summary does not go into technical vs. personal or live vs. dead ball, but if there was any chance of this being called a personal, why wouldn't it mention the possibility of a throw-in at the spot of the foul?
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