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Originally Posted by Fritz
Possible scenarios:
1) loose ball and during scramble A1 secures the ball between his legs with his hands. Even though his hands are on the ball are you really going to call a kicking violation? I'm not.
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have to see this one but if the player has hands on the ball they can control it that way, might not be a kick.
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Originally Posted by Fritz
2) similar to #1, A1 now takes his hands off the ball to signal for a TO; NOW you are going to call a kicking violation? That would be a tough sell in my opinion.
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How is this a tough sell?
Player is not required to signal time out -they can say it.
By allowing the player to hold the ball with the legs - which is not control - and signal time out, if you grant it you have given them an advantage. Clearly a kick.
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Originally Posted by Fritz
3) OK, how about A1 has the ball lodged between his legs during the scramble but is prevented from reaching his hands down to the ball because...........B1 is holding him? PF on B1 right?
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Which happened first? if the ball is between the players legs you may have a violation before you have a foul?
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Originally Posted by Fritz
4) Wait, how about this one............A1 is trying to secure the ball with his legs while laying on the floor and intentionally not use his hands? Yes, I could see that in this sitch, A1 would actually "intentionally strike" the ball in trying to secure the possession. In that case, I agree with jwd, kicking violation.
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Trying means intentional. so contact with the legs is would be a kick.
If you use your legs to try to control the ball it is a kick it isn't that hard.